The Virtue of Abstinence

In the Christian faith, one seeking virtue will do everything they can to abstain from premarital relations. This practice is meant to keep the person and the relationship pure and free of jealousy and contempt. Abstinence doesn’t guarantee salvation nor does it guarantee admittance into Heaven.

When one believes in progressiveness, then they are encouraged to abstain as well, to prove their virtue to others. Abstain from plastics, abstain from fossil fuels, abstain from religion, abstain from relationships with people who are not like minded, and so forth. They are encouraged to abstain from meat and straws, animal skins are rarely ever permitted in the homes of the lower classes and sexual deviance is encouraged as a method of breeding out the traditionalists.

In the Christian faith, believers are supposed to acknowledge their sins.

In progressiveness, believers are expected to acknowledge their privilege and their inherent power over others, simply based on traits that they have no control over; their sex, their color and their nationality.

In the Christian faith, one must be familiar with the Bible and study the Bible to gain valuable insight into their own soul.

In the progressive belief system, one must stay abreast of current political issues, current social norms and acknowledge and succumb to the power of the science book. The science book empowers the progressives as a modern day missionary, to preach the good word to the wayward and the lost, to bring them over to their side…since numbers matter when attempting to topple the non-believers.

Some believe and others don’t…the difference between the two is one is meant as people control while the other is an exercise in self reflection and self control.

Christianity preaches a path of salvation and everlasting life, in paradise.

Progressivism preaches a message of paradise lost and the path towards creating a paradise on earth.

How far are you willing to go for your beliefs?

Who or what must be sacrificed in order to save the many?

The Christian faith is singular, only I can control myself.

The progressive belief is one of subjugation and domination of the masses.

Progressives are not exclusively democrat by nature, a progressive is any person who believes that we all must believe what they believe…in order to create heaven on earth.

People are the absolute definition of chaos, paradise and chaos will never become one.

The only path towards paradise on earth for some, is the destruction of others.

What must one do to attain virtue?

What is the purpose of a Nobel Prize or any prize for that matter?

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29 thoughts on “The Virtue of Abstinence

  1. Marleen

    I disagree.

    There is so much mixed together there, I wouldn’t know where to start. But I am curious about this intriguing thing that you said:

    Progressives are not exclusively democrat by nature, a progressive is any person who believes that we all must believe what they believe…in order to create heaven on earth.

    I agree with you that Christians who want to create (by their power or maneuvering) heaven on earth are mistaken and even scary and harmful.

    I can also understand the use of the word “progressive” this way generally (including republicans and democrats, etcetera). It’s not the only way.

    But would you elucidate a little more on the piece I quoted?

    1. bottomlesscoffee007

      A progressive is any person that believes the way to salvation is through the vehicle of public and current social virtues.

      It’s how people have been dominated and subjugated since Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden.

      Not only Christians, Marleen, people in general. Any tribe will attempt to assert its power upon the lower tribes.

      1. Marleen

        Yes, not only Christians. But if Christianity were the truth, there would still be types of Christianity or Christians that are not. You’ve indicated that before. This additional recognizing that progressive, in the way you mean it, isn’t only Democrats… is good.

        This isn’t what I was meaning when I said I disagree, but I’m gonna question whether this is what has been going on since Adam and Eve were cast out. I think when they were cast out, most people were just brutes. Just straight up sinners/evil with no experience.

            1. Marleen

              Some believe and others don’t…the difference between the two is one is meant as people control while the other is an exercise in self reflection and self control.

              Christianity preaches a path of salvation and everlasting life, in paradise.

              Progressivism preaches a message of paradise lost and the path towards creating a paradise on earth.

              We have conflicting messages to deal with in the opening rumination. While there are (many many) Christians who have the viewpoint that they have to make heaven on earth by them personally subjugating everyone to their ways, you nevertheless go on to indicate Christians don’t believe that.

                1. Anonymous

                  Are you aware early followers of Y’shua/Jesus were considered atheists because they didn’t select acceptably from the available options as to what or who the gods are?

                  Some people “believe in“ or like the idea of progressing and some don’t. Some believe in Christian-type concepts and some don’t. There have been different ideas of what progress is at different times. At some point, progress was thought to be industrialization. Some people have gotten stuck in and obsessed with that mode. Some people didn’t really ever see it as progress but as their ticket. Same way with Christianity; some people don’t really believe but take the ride and exploit others while they’re at it. Then, there are people who think they are believing true things but are wrong. Industry can be part of a working society, but so can moderation and care for the environment and not seeing most of humanity as merely cogs. You will see, throughout the Bible, that concern for people and the land matter. These are indicators of the soul and of well-being. The fact that there are always spoilers and the fact that we can’t create eternal paradise aren’t reasons to neglect or reject markers of the person who cares and manifestations of people who can get together that care.

                  It’s not that all people have a receptive mindset such that the whole world is easily convinced to behave nicely. Not only that, there are still deeply evil people. There are even some who think of evil almost all the time. (It’s very difficult to think how someone could think of evil all the time, but maybe that exists too.) One country is different from another, one type of country is different from another, and one person is different from the next… in any of these places. And we can note that there are people without a country, so what I’m saying doesn’t have to be about “countries” but how things are effectuated beyond the individual. All that is about day-to-day life, not creating heaven by our efforts. And a large part of what we want to create an atmosphere for in America is freedom for individuals to reflect on their own souls and interests and families or other endeavors. In contrast, the “libertarian” notion (the recent type purveyed in the United States) that we should leave everything to the brute forces is an extreme that leaves little time for and puts little value on self reflection.

                  Our form of government is a balance between liberty and the structures needed to allow for some significant measures of personal liberty (our government is not meant to be complete abandon but also is meant to be quite liberal). It is also a never-ending (as long as it is in place rather than overthrown or degraded into anarchy or oligarchy) watch against corruption and imbalance (of the systems of functioning and with a view toward whether or not they are providing for the common good rather than syphoning toward the richest or most religious or, now, the meanest). We have a lot of corruption and imbalance right now. Christians have unknowingly (I think most of them unknowingly) voted for and pressured towards corruption and imbalance for decades. They have now moved to arguing for and making excuses for corruption and imbalance to the point we may be degrading in the direction of our loss and be unbearably overcome by anyone foreign or domestic with different values than we imagine are really out there or among us or possible. It’s constant effort, not bliss.

                  You know, it’s interesting to contemplate two things. One: the founders set us on a course toward a “more perfect union.” Two: they were so far from perfect even in their own hypocritical or delusional surmising that there was plenty of room for improvement.

                  Meanwhile, of course, people can consider paths of eternal life. Even in what is called early Christianity (whatever it was), the people in that ethos were taught to desire or cooperate with a peaceful life if the government was able to provide for that in their midst.

                  Sadly, what I would consider to be the establishment of Christianity per se as a worldly force (not the earliest years of faith right after the life and death of Y’shua/Jesus) was a different thing from enjoying peace if it was available. We each make these decisions.

                  1. bottomlesscoffee007

                    I’ve never heard that the first Christians were considered atheists. Where did you get that from?

                    I thought atheists believe in nothing, so how could the first Christians be considered atheists?

                    1. Marleen

                      That posting was a malfunction of the website; I didn’t intend to repost what I already had posted, and I didn’t even hit “Post Comment” (and obviously hadn’t entered my name yet). The screen went funky and so forth. Anyway, I’ve done a lot of studying in my life (of the Bible and of the history surrounding it). I’ve spent a lot of time in Messianic congregational settings. (There is little I could say is uniform from one messianic place to another — if you look into it, don’t be too simplistic as to what “they are” so to speak.) One resource I would recommend (which is Jewish and not “Messianic” in the sense of mid-twentieth-century sensibilities to now) is marknanos(dot)com.

                    2. bottomlesscoffee007

                      If you’ve done so much research, how can you make the comment that it is impossible to know what people were like upon Adam and Eve’s exodus from Eden?

                    3. Marleen

                      You said: Maybe Marleen. Who knows?

                      I replied: Yep

                      Now you say: … how can you make the comment that it is impossible to know what people were like upon Adam and Eve’s exodus from Eden?

                      Anyone paying attention can see you’re not engaged in honest conversation.

                    4. bottomlesscoffee007

                      Ok? You were the one who claimed to have studied the texts, and I ask a simple question and you scamper away.

                      Marleen, you are the one who is afraid of questions.

                    5. Marleen

                      First of all, it is demonstrably okay with you to make things up. That’s a fact. I didn’t say what you say I said. Secondly, “scamper” away may be what you want to say now, whatever that’s supposed to mean, but it’s quite different from what you attributed to my mouth — but which I didn’t say. Third, my answer about study was when you asked as to the early people who were learning about Jesus being called or accused of being atheists.

                    6. bottomlesscoffee007

                      Yeah, so if you studied such ancient scripts, how can you claim to not know of the people in the ancient times? You eluded such theories about Noah, yet you have no theories about the type of people before Noah. How can you talk about after Noah, yet you ignore before Noah?

                      That seems like quite convenient studying Marleen.

              1. Marleen

                Some people “believe in“ or like the idea of progressing and some don’t. Some believe in Christian-type concepts and some don’t. There have been different ideas of what progress is at different times. At some point, progress was thought to be industrialization. Some people have gotten stuck in and obsessed with that mode. Some people didn’t really ever see it as progress but as their ticket. Same way with Christianity; some people don’t really believe but take the ride and exploit others while they’re at it. Then, there are people who think they are believing true things but are wrong. Industry can be part of a working society, but so can moderation and care for the environment and not seeing most of humanity as merely cogs. You will see, throughout the Bible, that concern for people and the land matter. These are indicators of the soul and of well-being. The fact that there are always spoilers and the fact that we can’t create eternal paradise aren’t reasons to neglect or reject markers of the person who cares and manifestations of people who can get together that care.

                It’s not that all people have a receptive mindset such that the whole world is easily convinced to behave nicely. Not only that, there are still deeply evil people. There are even some who think of evil almost all the time. (It’s very difficult to think how someone could think of evil all the time, but maybe that exists too.) One country is different from another, one type of country is different from another, and one person is different from the next… in any of these places. And we can note that there are people without a country, so what I’m saying doesn’t have to be about “countries” but how things are effectuated beyond the individual. All that is about day-to-day life, not creating heaven by our efforts. And a large part of what we want to create an atmosphere for in America is freedom for individuals to reflect on their own souls and interests and families or other endeavors. In contrast, the “libertarian” notion (the recent type purveyed in the United States) that we should leave everything to the brute forces is an extreme that leaves little time for and puts little value on self reflection.

                Our form of government is a balance between liberty and the structures needed to allow for some significant measures of personal liberty (our government is not meant to be complete abandon but also is meant to be quite liberal). It is also a never-ending (as long as it is in place rather than overthrown or degraded into anarchy or oligarchy) watch against corruption and imbalance (of the systems of functioning and with a view toward whether or not they are providing for the common good rather than syphoning toward the richest or most religious or, now, the meanest). We have a lot of corruption and imbalance right now. Christians have unknowingly (I think most of them unknowingly) voted for and pressured towards corruption and imbalance for decades. They have now moved to arguing for and making excuses for corruption and imbalance to the point we may be degrading in the direction of our loss and be unbearably overcome by anyone foreign or domestic with different values than we imagine are really out there or among us or possible. It’s constant effort, not bliss.

                You know, it’s interesting to contemplate two things. One: the founders set us on a course toward a “more perfect union.” Two: they were so far from perfect even in their own hypocritical or delusional surmising that there was plenty of room for improvement.

                Meanwhile, of course, people can consider paths of eternal life. Even in what is called early Christianity (whatever it was), the people in that ethos were taught to desire or cooperate with a peaceful life if the government was able to provide for that in their midst.

                Sadly, what I would consider to be the establishment of Christianity per se as a worldly force (not the earliest years of faith right after the life and death of Y’shua/Jesus) was a different thing from enjoying peace if it was available. We each make these decisions.

          1. Marleen

            We don’t know firsthand if people after Adam and Eve tried to identify virtues in the sense we now mostly think of that word or concept (in terms of better and enlightened behavior and the experience of being social beings who help others) or whether “virtues” to them (in whatever language they used) would’ve been only whoever is stronger or more ruthless and can beat someone over the head or drag someone by the hair. I tend toward the latter circumstance for the time, and we do know there came a day when God observed (and someone eventually recorded) people only thought of evil all the time. God then devised a plan to kill most of them off. Most of them, then, were killed off. (This is the story of the ark and flood.)

            The people who survived that, in the story, were different from the other people [who didn’t survive that whole thing] to begin with. Or at least Noah was, and he got to bring his family on the ark with him. Further, after they got off the ark, God did want them to progress in their behavior and understanding (even though they were already better in that they didn’t think evil all the time). This included the communication of some beginning instructions… for all the people. So, we could say that being progressive started after the flood rather than after Adam and Eve left the garden — unless we want to credit Noah with being progressive. I could agree to that, too… that Noah was progressive, and that’s how the line goes through.

            1. bottomlesscoffee007

              What do you consider to be progress Marleen? How are we any different from any other people throughout time?

      1. Marleen

        Your heading and first paragraph are pretty standard. I wouldn’t say I disagree with that. But then you go into numerous tangents and erroneous assumptions.

  2. This is a great illustration of how insane the world has become.
    I read your post and marveled at how you connected the dots. It was ingenious.
    When I got to the end, I could not wait to read the comments. And then I did… Blown away.

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