Your Annoying Little Brother: My Feelings Don’t Care About Your Facts: TidePodcast Episode 114

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124 thoughts on “Your Annoying Little Brother: My Feelings Don’t Care About Your Facts: TidePodcast Episode 114

  1. Did facts cut you off on the way to work? Give the poor guy some slack. Many of our life experiences that shape our feelings are because of the facts of life.

    Nice rant, though. I enjoyed listening to it.

        1. bottomlesscoffee007

          Exactly, facts only matter when they are personal. Citing facts is no way to win an argument. You must make it personal and relevant to the audience.

          1. That is such a sad statement. If facts can’t win an argument, there’s no argument. There’s just facts and people standing around in denial. A person dies on the other side of the planet may not affect your life but, it doesn’t make it less factual. They only way you pay attention is if that person that died, you knew and cared about.

            So, what brought this on? Your feelings may not care about facts but…they’re still there.

            1. bottomlesscoffee007

              Only that facts are taken into account, are the facts that directly impact the individual. If a person cannot make the facts personal, then the facts don’t drive the discussion or the solution.

              1. I can see where a person would not be interested in talking about something that doesn’t affect their life. We have a planet FULL of people like that. But, there are also folks that have come together to discuss solutions to problems that do not affect them, individually, day to day. Greenpeace is a good example. Natural disasters…many come together to discuss effective responses to, say, flooding (a plain fact) but, might not be personally affected by the flooding.

  2. I thought this was going to be a mockery about snowflakes.
    I don’t care about your feelings. Go ahead, stay delusional. Live a lie.
    Arbitrary thoughts about me don’t matter to me. Next.
    What’s the use? Knowledge. An argument you could use to widen your thought process.
    I think there IS nuance in fact. It’s like talking philosophy – you can think A, but in a different circumstance it can become B. That’s how discussion happens.

    1. bottomlesscoffee007

      Good point Goldie. I guess it all depends on what the delusion could be. If someone doesn’t like guns and wants them to be banned, regardless of statistics, or any other data on the matter, they will always vote in favor of gun control.

      If we rely on facts instead of relationships, I think more division occurs. I think there is more power in making any argument a personal matter, rather than looking at the numbers.

      1. You definitely catch more bees with honey, but to me, it’s just another form of deception, which I dislike. I’d rather have an honest conversation than hear flattery.

        Sure, I understand that people sometimes make decisions on feelings, but, you mention statistics, and they mention them as well. Just different ones. At the end of the day, I’m OK if you tell me that you don’t care about my facts and that you are proceeding with your feelings. That’s alright. But have that conversation about facts, see what’s in it, acknowledge it and THEN say that your feelings are more important. It’s the total refusal to listen to facts that boggles my mind.

        1. bottomlesscoffee007

          I guess then the conversation would be, what is a fact and what is not a fact. Does society dictate facts or does science? Does science kowtow to society, or does science report on their findings?

          What is and what is not sexual harassment?

          What is and what is not racism?

          Is evolution fact or is creationism fact?

          Can men have babies or can only women have babies?

          In my opinion, the facts that matter, are only the facts that matter to you.

          I can agree with your synopsis and I don’t think it is totally black or white. But I think that the majority of the time, the facts of the matter only apply when a person is trying to win an argument and not fully grasp the argument.

          1. I appreciate your curiosity regarding what is real and what is not. We can debate philosophy until we’re blue in the face and we might not be able to come up with a universal fact. However, you cannot say that nothing is a fact in today’s day and age. You just invite anarchy, chaos and plenty of excuses.

        2. bottomlesscoffee007

          What is pollution and what is not pollution?

          What is climate change and what is not climate change?

          What is a mass shooting and what is not a mass shooting?

          I’m not arguing facts, more or less the standardization of facts and our willingness to acknowledge facts. Since, facts make all of us hypocrites, then the way we discuss anything is latent with quasi fact and how it applies to us as individual.

            1. bottomlesscoffee007

              In that genera, are dolphins more intelligent than us? Some would say yes, others would say no. What is intelligent life?

          1. When you have six corporations controlling all of the information on the normal channels of communication, facts are indeed hard to discern. Then, you have a room full of people possibly discussing solutions to problems that don’t actually exist. Those are “facts” GIVEN to you by a third party. And, there you have a problem with the definition of “facts”.

            Are you still watching CNN?

              1. Personal experience, honesty & sharing. Honesty being the key factor.

                How many? Haven’t a clue. But, many discussed theories turned out to be true when honestly investigated. There is that keyword, again.

                If, and until, people are completely honest with themselves and others, I guess facts don’t matter. We’ll just spend our lives at dinner parties, arguing about celebrities, TV shows, movies, politics & the weather…and never really know each other or ourselves. I’m not sure I want to live in that world.

            1. Marleen

              The Wu Li Master dances with his student. The Wu Li Master does not teach, but the student learns. The Wu Li Master always begins at the center, the heart of the matter…

              How about that?

              There are other books
              mentioned on the page as
              intros. You might like the area.

              1. bottomlesscoffee007

                I gotta be honest Marleen, I don’t understand the relevance to what we are discussing. I’m not trying to be ignant!

                1. Marleen

                  I do think you would like or at least learn something reading the book. It’s science-related but not rigid. The beach example is in that book.

                1. Marleen

                  Good one. There you go. Who is a master and who is a student? Master/mister, it’s all in the vowels.

                  (Forgive me if you think that’s silly.)

                1. bottomlesscoffee007

                  Steve definitely keeps me on my toes, he is my Cato to me being inspector jacques clouseau. Marleen, she seems to be more honest than I first thought.

    2. bottomlesscoffee007

      In my opinion, common sense and logic is more subjective than we would like to acknowledge. If common sense isn’t common and logic depends on the circumstance, culture and belief, then we must acknowledge the person and not the fact.

      1. I think you’re reaching. Sure, a person used to traffic in India will probably try to cross the road at a time when an American would fear to do same. But at the end of the day, they are both trying to avoid getting hit by a car.

                1. bottomlesscoffee007

                  Do you think they have always been prolific, just by a different label? Or do you believe this is a phenomena of today? Who decides what is and what is not a mental health disorder? What is the measure for mental health? Are doctors mentally fit?

                  1. Coffee, are you alright? By questioning literally everything, you will drive yourself mad. There will be no answers for you to find. What is air? Do we really breathe?

                    No, I do not think it’s always been so prolific. Once there is a name and a label, everyone wants to belong. And then we say we don’t want to be put in a box and labeled. So we call each other unique. But then we cannot be unique in the sea of uniqueness.

                    1. bottomlesscoffee007

                      I’m wonderful Goldie. Like usual, just being an ass, I guess. Please, do not forget with whom you speak, a simple drunkard is all I am.

                      I’m not really looking for answers, more or less personal perspectives.

                    2. That has nothing to do with you being an ass.
                      It’s just weird to hear EVERYTHING questioned by you. I can pick up on subtle changes quite quickly, hence my question.

                      Personal perspective is cool and all but then you question that, then… ?

                    3. bottomlesscoffee007

                      Maybe it’s just a phase. Seriously though, I’m doing fine. I’m not suggesting there is no penalty or no consequences. Just wondering about the validity.

                      I ain’t no hippie if that’s what your asking Goldie!!! lol

                    4. bottomlesscoffee007

                      Do you ever wonder that quiet possibly, the majority of what we fight about and fight over is more subjective than concrete? What if we realized that most of the things that matter to us and only us. If we respected the privacy and the rights of others, we too might be left alone as well.

                    5. It depends. There are bigger and smaller issues. Things we don’t care about, things we can compromise on and things that are crucial to our well-being.

                      Yes, we should respect the privacy and rights of others, but what if they impact us in a negative way?

                    6. bottomlesscoffee007

                      Then I guess the push and pull takes place.

                      The juice is always worth the squeeze, as long as you’re not the one being squeezed.

  3. Thank you! I couldn’t agree more, people don’t see that quoting “facts” isn’t the way to go. I mean we’re all guilty of quoting facts but usually it’s in between two people who know each other in ways that the outside world doesn’t. I agree with you all facts do is divide and that’s not a road map to coming to any solution to any problem.
    I hate when people do that to me, and my feelings will trump (no pun intended) your facts!
    Great post BC!

      1. Wait. How do you solve problems if all you do is ignore the facts? Feelings are there as reactions to our world and surroundings but, they don’t dictate the facts of a situation. If facts and truth divide people, SOMEONE is in denial. If someone develops cancer, their feelings about their situation won’t negate the diagnosis or treatment.

        Can’t you solve a problem and be right at the same time? Situation: The flashlight doesn’t work. Issue (fact): The batteries need changing or the wiring has gone bad. Your feelings about the condition of the flashlight are nice…or not…but, irrelevant. Fix the flashlight and cry about it, later.

        1. bottomlesscoffee007

          I’m not arguing the validity of facts, rather the way they are presented. In the same token, facts are usually presented one sided.

          Then again, I could be wrong.

          1. Yep. Those same six corporations…

            The flashlight isn’t REALLY broken, you just have a flashlight phobia.

            We live in a world where the truth is obscured on purpose. It’s difficult to keep your head screwed on straight.

                    1. Well, we know that “continent” is the word used to describe a large land mass. In the case of “facts”, we do, indeed, have large land masses. What we call them & their numbers? That could change.

                      How did we get on the topic of continents?

                    2. Well, if whomever has determined that there are seven, there must be some measuring method. So, for now, that makes them concrete. If the method of determination changes, there could be more.

                    3. Marleen

                      No one competes in the Olympics from Antarctica, for example. But I don’t know why they would be two rings short.

                    4. Marleen

                      They really could do four rings. (I think that wouldn’t have the same aesthetic appeal, though.) they’ve gone with one ring for all of America instead of including one for North America and one for South America. they could do one ring for “Eurasia” — or they could do two for America along with the two they currently have for Europe and Asia.

                      the Olympics started in “the old world” long ago. Modern Olympics are sort of based on that. So… I postulate it’s sort of like, “Hm, we ought to do something about those people on the other side of the globe.”

                      All of this, of course, still leaves out Antarctica… because people don’t come to compete from there.

              1. Marleen

                The purpose of naming continents is simply to communicate general location or something like region. But the “definition” is confusing.

  4. The fact of the matter is, we are led by our feelings in so many things, sadly. I try to ignore my feelings and focus on the fact and logicality when it comes to deciding on something, problem-solving, etc. But, sometimes, we should follow our feelings before anything else – a.k.a gut feelings, whether we are comfortable/uncomfortable with someone/in a situation.
    I don’t entirely agree with facts not been shit – we should be aware of the facts to make a logical conclusion/decision. Facts DO matter, such as in a trial. But emotions are important as well – such as in friendship/marriage.
    Facts are the truth, what REALLY happened. You’re right, facts don’t care about emotions, because, if we follow our emotions, we won’t listen to what really is going on and it clouds the facts, which we need to make real-life/logical decisions.

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        1. Marleen

          I enjoyed the complex subject matter jm covered there. And — probably due in large part to having brought boys up in this world — I thought the references in the video to dick wagging and just being another homo if you leave out the sapien part were on point.

        2. Marleen

          https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/sapere
          Etymology

          … from Latin sapere, present active infinitive of sapiō (“I taste; I am wise”), from Proto-Italic *sapiō, from Proto-Indo-European *sh₁p-i- (“to notice”), from *seh₁p- (“to try, to research”).

          https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-conjugate-sapere-4057003
          Quote: “Sapere” is often one of the first verbs Italian language students learn, because learning how to say “I don’t know” (non lo so) in the midst of lots of fast speech is essential. So…

  6. Marleen

    What do you think of Edward Snowden? I’m not sure I trust everything he says while residing in Russia, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear anything he says. Have you heard any of this? It is also available in smaller segments, if you’d want to rid on it. I’m sharing the following under this topic because he makes a comment about facts somewhere sort of in the middle.

    https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/full-interview-edward-snowden-on-trump-privacy-and-growing-threats-to-democracy-69091909602

    1. bottomlesscoffee007

      Thanks is for sending that link. To be honest, I don’t know too much about Snowden. I will say this though, not in favor of or against. Have you ever heard of Whitey Bulger?

      The reason why I say this is, I sometimes wonder if these types of people are still allowed to talk, because they are still selling something.

      Maybe he is and maybe he isn’t. I just don’t know if I know about him well enough. Really, he is more or less a television personality to me. Not to be disrespectful. Just that I don’t know him well enough to formulate a solid opinion.

      I guess, decide for yourself. Take it with a grain of salt.

      The question is, are you willing to bet your life on it?

      1. Marleen

        I think if I’m 50/50 on him, I break toward not trusting what he says in any way on which my life would or might depend. He says, in the interview, that he has tried to be allowed into some other place, like an ally country of the U.S. If he were at ease where his is, why would he be seeking leaving (other than to return home, which he doesn’t want because he doesn’t think there would be a fair trial — at least, so he says)?

        But if he speaks on something general, for which no particular expertise or inside knowledge is needed, then I’m not trusting him… only agreeing or disagreeing.

        1. bottomlesscoffee007

          I think it’s good to listen to him and process what he is saying. At the same time though, I think it’s more important to decide for yourself if what he says impacts your life directly. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn’t.

    2. Marleen

      This, with Democracy Now, is a better interview (in my opinion). I think I got all parts.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgohfeu8UA
      Edward Snowden Responds to Trump Impeachment Inquiry & Justice Dept. Lawsuit Against Him

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KLroojfi298
      Permanent Record: Why NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Risked His Life to Expose Surveillance State

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TP19wj2-1-M
      Snowden Reveals How He Secretly Exposed NSA Criminal Wrongdoing Without Getting Arrested

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE-H0yp1NCI
      Edward Snowden on Trump, Obama & How He Ended Up in Russia to Avoid U.S. Extradition

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    1. bottomlesscoffee007

      Yeah, we forget what influences our decisions. We only accept fact as fact, after carefully weighing the options and the possible outcomes. What impact are we willing to forego or sacrifice in the face of said facts?

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