If Christmas is Bullshit, Then What About Hanukkah and Mawlid?

If Christmas was a compromise from pagan times to Christianity, then why are Hanukkah and Mawlid celebrated during the same time frame?

Christmas, (December 25th): is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

Hanukkah, (Dates Vary within December): is a Jewish holiday commemorating the rededication of the Second Temple in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire.

Mawlid, (the 2018 date was 20 November for Sunni and 25 November for Shia): is the Islamic observance of the birth of the prophet Muhammed.

Are these holidays simply bullshit? Does their timing signify nothing?

If all three major religions or faiths celebrate roughly the same idea, at and around the same time of year, could there be more to what we think we know?

111 thoughts on “If Christmas is Bullshit, Then What About Hanukkah and Mawlid?

  1. Ah, but Christmas is NOT a celebration of Jesus’ birth – but of almost every pagan god. Jesus birthday was the first day of Sukkot in OCTOBER. Christmas is entirely pagan.
    Hanukkah, on the other hand, is a Biblical festival commemorating the rededication of the Temple after it was defiled and overrun. There is no similarity or comparison whatsoever with the two ideologically opposed festivals.

    Mawlid – I couldn’t give a shit. If Muhammed was born then, then whatever. That just makes it’s celebration pagan.

  2. Christmas is a pagan festival. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus/Yahushua’s birth. December 25th is the birthday of several pagan gods, so why would the holy son of God/YEHOVAH be born on that day?
    Hanukkah is not bullshit. It is a biblical and supposed to be celebrated. It is in remembrance of what the Maccabees did.

    1. bottomlesscoffee007

      Thanks Shantel. I know Rue and JM commented with their thoughts, but I wonder if there is more to the story that we are told.

          1. The thoughts on your piece? I celebrate Christmas for the family aspect, there is a beneficial tradition that has been adopted into this pagan festival. I’m not sacrificing animals or whatnot for the winter solstice or anything but I value Christmas for family.
            As far as what I brought up…I’m tired of Christians wanting to be so negative and so one sided when it comes to our history. We started out not as “christians” until Christ but before that we were all lost in the wildness only guided by God’s Voice and his messengers. The drama that went down with Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar spawned a generation of believers. Although it’s written in Scripture, in Genesis, how it’s supposed to be contentious between the two factions, doesn’t mean that we thumb our noses at them. We are bound by the same God/Allah, although different names, the characteristics of Him are everlasting but some Christians want to act as if it doesn’t site our theological brethren in The Bible. So when I hear or see people, Christian and Muslim alike, denounce one another this is always my argument. There are bad people everywhere. Both have done atrocities in history, but there are good people who are willing to do God’s true work and that’s loving one another as we love ourselves.

            1. bottomlesscoffee007

              Damn straight Scherezade. That’s all I was asking. If one is considered bullshit, then all three should be as well. We all celebrate and worship. That’s all that matters.

              1. “If one is considered bullshit, then all three should be as well.”
                No, that’s not accurate.
                “We all celebrate and worship. That’s all that matters”.
                No. It DOES matter as it is important WHO you are worshiping.

              2. I still fail to see the similarity/”one or all” of the three. One is a Biblically commanded feast (2 Maccabees) celebrating the rededication of the Temple which the pagan Greeks had defiled. Christmas is a pagan festival – probably celebrated by the Greeks the Maccabees were driving out – that predates Jesus and celebrates the birthdays of the ancient pagan “gods”. And Mawlid is simply the birthday of a medieval self-styled prophet who proclaimed that Jesus is no the Son of God and that those who believe He is will go to hell.

            2. Christmas is a pagan festival. Check out its origins. We are commanded in the Bible NOT to celebrate pagan festivals, so why would you celebrate it? Beneficial traditions, etc., doesn’t matter. We are not to celebrate it.
              God and Allah are NOT THE SAME GOD. Allah was a Arab moon god whom Mohammad singled out to worship for his religion. It’s in history – look it up.
              We are commanded to worship only one god – and that is our heavenly Father, God/YEHOVAH.

              1. bottomlesscoffee007

                I can respect that Rue, I just don’t think it is that cut and dry. I think there is more to the story than we know.

                A simple question, how did the original Christians celebrate the birth of Christ?

                    1. As a separate festival. He was born on the first day of Sukkoth/Feast of Tabernacles, which they already celebrated, so they didn’t celebrate His birth as a separate festival to it.

                    2. bottomlesscoffee007

                      I thought the Jews didn’t believe that Jesus walked the earth? So wouldn’t that mean that the feast of tabernacles isn’t a celebration of the birth of Jesus?

                      How did the Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus originally?

                    3. The Feast of Tabernacles was a forerunner of Yahushua’s/Jesus’ birth. It was celebrated before His birth. Because He was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, we celebrate both.
                      They celebrated Tabernacles, which was also Yahushua/Jesus’ birthday. They kept a High Sabbath on His birthday as per Torah/first five books of the Bible.

                    4. WIth some Leviticus 23 feasts, the first (and sometimes last) day of a feast is a Sabbath on its own right – whether or not it falls on the regular Sabbath (Saturday).

                    5. bottomlesscoffee007

                      But, the celebration is for the Feast of Tabernacles, not Jesus right? So, which is considered more important?

                    6. The Feast of Tabernacles was a precursor to Jesus’ birth. Yah/God gave a commandment to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, He didn’t specifically command us to celebrate Jesus’/Yahushua’s birth, but since He was later born on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, we celebrate His birth when we celebrate Tabernacles.
                      They are both just as important.

                    7. I said in the comment that the Torah is the first five books of the Bible – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

                1. “A simple question, how did the original Christians celebrate the birth of Christ?”
                  Actually, they didn’t. Apart from celebrating the Biblical feast of Sukkot/Tabernacles, whose first day is Jesus’/Yeshua’s REAL birthday.
                  In later centuries, in trying to convert pagans, the Catholics decided they were going to incorporate their pagan practices and festivals into the Church (never mind God’s strong warning against this in the Bible). The orgy celebrated on December 25th (and yes, it was an orgy – streets full of love-making couples, and heaps of other such stuff) was converted into the “birthday of Jesus” without evidence. And yes, Christmas was celebrated in all its promiscuous “glory” until the 1700s or so. It was definitely not a holy day (LOL).

            3. Allah was a pagan Arab moon god whom Mohammed singled out to be the god of his new religion. A “god” who directly and blasphemously claims (in the Koran) that Jesus was neither Messiah nor Son of God. Who condemns Christians and Jews to hell. Who commands the genocide of Jews.
              How is Allah the same as Yehovah/Yahweh, the God of the Bible? Remember that Jesus said that He is “THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life” and that “No-one comes to the Father except through me”, making Islam incompatible with God.
              Here is an article by a former Muslim about the differences between Allah and Jehovah:
              https://www.rzim.org/read/rzim-global/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god
              Here’s some more articles:
              https://ashenden.org/2018/11/20/when-does-a-cathedral-stop-being-a-cathedral-art-inclusion-and-choosing-between-mohammed-and-jesus-in-blackburn/
              https://ashenden.org/2018/11/22/3159/
              https://www.summit.org/resources/articles/archives-muslims-christians-worship-god/
              https://billygraham.org/decision-magazine/december-2013/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/

              1. bottomlesscoffee007

                I am not comparing or attempting to compare God, Jesus or Allah or Muhammed. It just seems like people want only their holiday to be observed and respected while disparaging the others.

                We all believe what we believe. Who are we to condemn the others who do not subscribe to our beliefs?

                God loves all, plain and simple, yet we all compete and cast doubt onto others. We talk about God’s love, yet we have yet to try to extend our love to those whom we differ from.

                  1. bottomlesscoffee007

                    Ok, have you ever done something that goes against scripture? We are all sinners, I more specifically am a sinner. Who am I to cast judgement? Sin is sin, plain and simple.

                    1. Yes, I most certainly have, and I generally don’t cast judgement. I probably should have worded the last line better. I speak out against practices – not necessarily the people doing them (especially since I used to celebrate Christmas etc, used to do Sunday worship, and so forth). I’ve got nothing against the people, and I’m sure that there are plenty in heaven who did those things. Judging them is entirely up to God, not me. I simply hope to open people’s eyes – as mine constantly are to various things.

  3. So many words and so much blood spread over things we have no evidence but faith and belief. I’m always very marvelled at how us humans want to be right and teach the others how to live, what to believe and how to do it correctly. My motto in religious matters is “be and let be”

  4. Oh, boy! What a topic.

    I was raised in a family that celebrated Christmas but, it was kind of a half-ass version. Heh. Paternal side was non-practicing Methodists and the Maternal side…well, SOME of them were practicing Primitive Baptists.

    I have been in SO many churches…Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Pentecostal, Disciples of Christ, Church of God, Anglican…OY. The KJV doesn’t match the Catholic bible. So many words, so many translations…

    I don’t know squat about the Jewish faith but, this “God’s chosen people” thing is a bit unfair. What about the rest of us? Hm?

    Muslims? I know even less but, I am not fond of how they treat their women. Period.

    Pagans, Celts & Druids are ridiculously maligned. And, most were wiped out by the Romans.

    Then, there is the Church of Satan, Wiccans & Witches. I have some Wiccan/Witch friends and they are very much like Pagans. I can’t help but be amused at Satanists as I know where the term “Satan” comes from…and it has little to do with “Lucifer”, which is a mind-bending story in and of itself.

    I don’t “do” Christmas, nor Easter. I follow NO religion. I am closer to the Native Americans…I watch the Moon, the solstices & equinoxes.

    I know the story of Jesus the Christ…and, it ain’t what most people think.

          1. Nutshell: Jesus wasn’t a virgin birth (Vatican lie). His parents were part of a religious sect. They were Nazarites, not from Nazarene. “Mary” & “Joseph” are titles, not names. Jesus’ brother John was “Joseph of Arimathea”. Jesus’ wife was “Mary” Magdalene. They had three children, the oldest was also named Jesus and the youngest was a girl. Magdalene was NOT a prostitute (Vatican lie). Jesus was crucified but did not die on the cross (Vatican lie). His followers took him down & hid him. He left the area to continue his teachings. John took Magdalene to France. There’s more to it but, the Vatican turned him into a divine being. Even “The Son of God” thing is twisted. He was trying to remind us all of our divinity. He was A son of God, not THE…just like ALL of us. He eventually died in Palestine. And, the “second coming” has already happened, if you want to apply that to current history. And, who he returned was quite apropos and would blow your mind. All recorded in the Akashic…

            “Satan” was a term used in the religious sect that Jesus & Magdalene belonged to. It was a title of an inquisitor that checked “the faith” of the members. They had very strict “rules” & “Satan” functioned as the “law enforcement” in a way. Has nothing to do with “Lucifer”, which, in and of itself, is a mistranslation (a Greek & Latin mess).

            Have I confused you? It’s a lot to take in…

            1. bottomlesscoffee007

              Victoria, I must say, I have legitimately never heard that version before. Where did you get this from?

              1. That same healer that had the practice in Wales. Wrote eight books on the true human condition (was asked to do it…it wasn’t his idea) and three on healing. He could scan the human body, much like an MRI. He could see chakras & could see human souls come into the babies in utero. He could read all levels of the Akashic (and an individual’s DNA memory) plus the collective consciousness, planetary, solar system, galaxy, universe… He even found the recorded memory of what our creator looks like. Just imagine…or try…the largest library that contains all of the knowledge of everything that has ever happened in our universe. Daunting task looking for one specific piece of info.

                Certain people are pivotal to human/earth history (Jesus, Alexander, Hitler, Genghis Khan, Constantine, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Mohammed, Abraham, Mao, Stalin, Julius Caesar…) so their ‘event’ history is easy to find. Their day to day life happenings stay with them. That is what the ‘junk DNA’ is for…multiple lives.

                1. bottomlesscoffee007

                  Have you ever met this man in person Victoria?

                  I don’t believe what you are saying, but I will admit it is very interesting. I would like to hear more.

                  1. Oh, no. I’ve never been outside the US. I’d love to, tho. I know he is aware of who I am.

                    I am friends (long distance) with a man & his wife who have met him & been healed by him. This guy lives about 45 min. away from CT. Needless to say, Christopher (Williams…he is the reason I use ‘CT’ a lot because of the same first names) made it CLEAR that CT changed his life…in many ways. Christopher is six years older than I and, he & his wife check in on CT & his wife Di, frequently, as they are elderly.

                    I am also friends with a gentleman in Toronto whom talks to CT on a regular basis. He has Asperger’s and has abilities of his own. He and I have been corresponding for over five years. He has one of those ‘off-the-charts’ scientific minds.

                    What CT provides is radical. Very. But, if you truly look at the world and the lies we swim in, what he says explains much. The most wonderful thing he provides is the knowledge that we are more powerful than we remember.

                    I will answer any question you may have. And, if I can’t, I bet my group can or, I can find it in CT’s material.

                    Also, visit my CT pages. Watch the videos. Listen to the mp3s. Read the essays. The books are hard to get (that is another story).

                    Decide for yourself. ❤

                    1. bottomlesscoffee007

                      It’s an interesting piece and to be frank. I didn’t know that before reading, thanks Victoria.

                2. bottomlesscoffee007

                  I believe it is important to discuss these ideas or facts, I’m not trying to be an ass.

                  If we are to learn, then we must be able to discuss everything, it might lead to something eventually.

                  1. Oh, I SO agree. And, you aren’t being an ass. Things I have learned about you are, you are curious, want to understand, have an open mind, speak your mind and love to eat your wife’s underwear. 😉

            2. The Roman soldiers wouldn’t have let Jesus off the cross if He was still alive. Remember when they pierced His side that blood and water came out?
              The significance of the blood AND water coming out is that that only happens when the heart bursts, meaning that He was dead when He was taken down and buried.
              And, the Roman soldiers broke the knees of the two criminals that were being crucified with Jesus. They would’ve done it to Jesus, but He was already dead.

              1. Haven’t you ever heard the tales from the Mormons about Jesus tending to ‘other flocks’…after his supposed ‘crucifixion’? There are written accounts of that.

                The Romans didn’t give two craps about Jesus other than the fact that they knew he didn’t like their occupation. They were polytheists. Pilate ‘let’ him be crucified by his own religious sect. Roman Christianity didn’t show up until after the death of Constantine.

                Past all that, the Akashic records Jesus death, as a priest, in Palestine in AD 64. Magdalene traveled to Marseilles, France, with Jesus’ brother John, then on to Carcassonne.

                Jesus was a threat to the priests in his own community. He was disliked by the Roman occupation but, they weren’t the ones calling for his demise. His devoted followers made sure he was taken down, taking three days to recover. His tomb was empty…because he was never there. Once it was known that he was still alive, Magdalene fled with John’s help and Jesus traveled to ‘other lands’. He eventually returned to Palestine.

                Remember the ‘sponge soaked in vinegar’? Healing herbal tincture…eased the pain of crucifixion. Also helped him to survive.

                In his Nazarite community, a rise to the priesthood, his ambition, was termed as “ascending to heaven and sitting on the right hand of God”. It’s just a phrase.

                His title, Jesus the Christ…Christ comes from the Greek ‘Christos’ meaning King. He was of the Davidic line and born in March, 6 BC.

                Thanks to Constantine & the Council of Nicea, a ‘savior’ was needed to unite the masses under one religion & the Bishop of Rome. Jesus’ REAL message was completely twisted after that. And, he wasn’t tall, blue-eyed or blond. Quote from Roman historian Josephus Flavius:
                “…a man of simple appearance, mature age, dark skin, small structure, three cubits high (5′ 4″, roughly), hunch backed, with a long face, long nose and meeting eyebrows, so that they who see him might be affrightened. Scanty hair with a parting in the middle of his head, after the manner of the Nazarites, and with an under-developed beard.”

                1. Ask Yahushua/Jesus to reveal Himself to you in a personal way so that you can know for yourself that He is real, that He died and rose from the dead.
                  I’ve seen Him for myself.
                  Go ask Him.

                  1. I appreciate the sentiment, Rue. Really. I do. And, I know he was real and I know he died. I don’t question that at all.

                    I am curious, tho…when & where did you see him? Do you have a really good story to share?

                    1. When I was little, one night in bed, Jesus/Yahushua appeared to me. I saw the holes in His hands and feet. He stayed with me all night and left the next morning. Before that, I used to have really bad nightmares, but after He appeared to me, those nightmares stopped.

                  1. Heh. Perhaps. But, that is just one example. There are written accounts of him all over the place after crucifixion. The accounts of him in Britain are incorrect, tho. That was his son, traveling with his brother John or “Joseph of Arimathea”. The Celtic Christian church regard John as their leader. His messages from Jesus fit very well with the Celtic view of the world. That, alone, tells me how much the Vatican has twisted Jesus’ TRUE message for their own gain. He was such an incredible man…and tortured needlessly.

                    Some of the data I have provided comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

                    1. The British accounts are always that He went there when he was young, sometime between the age of 12 and 30. ALL traditions that record Joseph of Arimathea’s relation to Jesus make him His uncle. There’s no evidence for son – or for a marriage to Mary Magdalene (despite the bullshit pedalled in The Da Vinci Code).

                    2. Well, keep in mind, ‘Joseph’ is a title in his sect. He very well could have had an uncle that was a ‘Joseph’ @ one time. His father was a ‘Joseph’, tho his real name was Zebedee.

                      The ‘Joseph of Arimathea’ in Britain was his brother John. And, regarding evidence of a son or daughter or wife…the Vatican lies. That is point #1. Worldwide bibles don’t match. That is point #2. Point #3…there more mistranslations than you would be able to count. Point #4…Constantine called for the Council of Nicea to create a Savior to unite the masses. A ‘created’ divine savior wouldn’t be taken seriously with human traits. So, change his history & wipe out his family. Re-package him as a tall dude with blondish hair & blue eyes. We have been given the Hollywood version of Jesus…not the real one.

                      Speaking of Hellyweird, Dan Brown is closer to the truth than most realize.

  5. We don’t know when exactly Christ was born, we don’t need to. Neither do we need to appropriate the winter solstice to celebrate His first advent, any more than we need to appropriate Diwali to celebrate the Light of the world, or Eid to celebrate the sacrifice of the promised Seed of Abraham.

        1. bottomlesscoffee007

          That’s the thing Robert. I think that the idea of only Christmas being a pagan holiday are too convenient to fit the narrative of today. That being that Christianity is a farce, whereas the other religions seem to remain untouched in this type of slander.

          I think there is more to Christmas than just what everyone wants to regurgitate in an effort to delegitimize it.

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